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Bruce
03-28-2015, 11:51 PM
To avoid hijacking another thread, I am starting a new one.

Here's the last post from the other thread:

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Quote Originally Posted by Bruce View Post
Looks great. Is this the Garage Hundred One fiberglass version (http://www.hundred-one.com/1001fbs.htm)?
I had thought that the original 1001 front bumper consisted of the lower section only/
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Bogaut responded:

you are correct. but the gho bumper is made from the original mold, only difference is one piece. the guy who started gho worked for m2 i believe. randy can chime in and school us all though

Bruce
03-28-2015, 11:54 PM
I have always been wild about this bumper but over the years I've heard mixed things. Everything from terrific to too heavy and cracks easily.

Anyone have any information, informed opinions, or even relatively reliable hearsay?

Thanks,
Bruce

BTW, this is a really great forum, IMO.

bogaut
03-29-2015, 12:14 AM
i just got one in the mail yesterday. very solid construction. though the fogs mount on the bumper, which i plan to address before i install. if youre ever in the portland area, you can come check it out for yourself!

vote4pedro
03-29-2015, 12:41 AM
Phatmiata and I picked up this bumper from GHO a few years back. Like bogaut stated the fascia is designed with mounting of the fogs inside the fog housings themselves. I also have heard that the “full nose” version was designed by previous M2 employees who now work for GHO. It is by no means flimsy construction. It now sits in storage, but I am considering some sort of reinforcement for the bottom after viewing a M2 1001 parts diagrams.

John J
03-29-2015, 10:45 AM
The GHO 1001 bumper is different from the OEM M2-1001 bumper. The M2-1001 bumper is actually an over hang bonded to a cut up standard bumper. Used ones will cost a fortune. The GHO is a one piece whole bumper replica; its very heavy.

GHO is still in business.

http://www.hundred-one.com/1001fbs.htm

The lights are a separate part; they're Cibies (the same size as Tangos) but with a special bracket. And you can't not buy the lamps, So this bumper will be 105,000 yen plus shipping; $830 or so, probably well over $1000 delivered.

There was a UK owner with this bumper; it ended up developing stress cracks, supposedly due to the weight. MX5roadsters ended up making him a lightweight copy.

freedomgli
03-29-2015, 12:39 PM
roadsternut (SAZ9661) will tell you the GHO full bumpers are junk and made of cheap chopped strand mat fiberglass that's too heavy and needs major reinforcement to withstand gravity or else it'll start falling apart in big chunks.

I'm waiting for a used D-Technique M2-1001 replica front bumper to arrive from Japan. It is supposedly identical to the original M2-1001 setup in that it is a fiberglass lower half-bumper that is affixed to the top half of a cut OEM urethane Roadster/Miata/MX-5 bumper. D-Tech made several M2 replica parts to help the Club M2 guys when original M2 parts were no longer available.

bogaut
03-29-2015, 12:57 PM
yea roadsternut is just one man though, im sure GHO has made tons of these bumpers that have never had any issues. mine is pretty well used, but no stress cracks or chunks missing. only one crack from a small collision.

Bruce
03-29-2015, 06:11 PM
That's always what I've thought. They must have made a ton of them over many years. If there was a structural problem with the design or manufacturing, you'd think it would have been caught a long time ago. Of course, that doesn't mean that Roadsternut could't have had a bad one; every manufacturer can turn out a substandard sample now and then.

I checked here and found what Roadsternut posted:

http://mazdaroadster.net/showthread.php?3296-Roadsternut

(scroll down on page 2).

Bruce
03-29-2015, 06:15 PM
roadsternut (SAZ9661) will tell you the GHO full bumpers are junk and made of cheap chopped strand mat fiberglass that's too heavy and needs major reinforcement to withstand gravity or else it'll start falling apart in big chunks.

I'm waiting for a used D-Technique M2-1001 replica front bumper to arrive from Japan. It is supposedly identical to the original M2-1001 setup in that it is a fiberglass lower half-bumper that is affixed to the top half of a cut OEM urethane Roadster/Miata/MX-5 bumper. D-Tech made several M2 replica parts to help the Club M2 guys when original M2 parts were no longer available.

Is this the one where they added the thin horizontal slat (for support) in the "mouth"?

Please let us know what you think of it when it arrives.

freedomgli
03-29-2015, 07:03 PM
Is this the one where they added the thin horizontal slat (for support) in the "mouth"?

Please let us know what you think of it when it arrives.

No. You're thinking of the D-Cuatro bumper. The D-Technique bumper looks just like the original M2-1001 bumper.

See http://www5.plala.or.jp/dtec/products_aeroparts.htm

Bruce
03-29-2015, 09:43 PM
No. You're thinking of the D-Cuatro bumper. The D-Technique bumper looks just like the original M2-1001 bumper.

Yes! You are right. I confused the two.

Please do let us know how you like it once it arrives.

Thanks again.

Phatmiata
03-30-2015, 06:36 AM
This is not the bumper you are looking for ……………






http://actionchurch.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/obi-wan.jpg

roadsternut
03-30-2015, 06:09 PM
If anyone wants to buy new-old-stock GHO 1001 lamps covers......They are sitting on my shelf awaiting a long binned bumper.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/S-Spec%20II/crash417.jpg

And trust me, you need the Cibies.

When my GHO bumper started cracking, I actually ended up taking the car over to MX5Roadsters (Paul) in Northern Ireland to get the lightweight replica fitted. All of the GHO bumpers he had (he had received around 10 of them from RS Aizawa) seemed to be identical quality; after mine started cracking, he sent the rest back to Japan. He had also received some RS Aisawa bumpers at the same time; comparing them side by side, it was clear the RSA bumpers were better made.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/S-Spec%20II/gho1001.jpg

S2-Racing also do a 1001 "style" bumper

http://s2-racing.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/aero_01_kai.jpg



http://s2-racing.com/?page_id=357#na
The M2-1002 replica bumper seemed nice quality when I looked at it.

theothersawyer
03-30-2015, 06:57 PM
Man, that bumper is beautiful!!

Stealth97
03-31-2015, 11:52 AM
RSA bumper is amazing. I am stupid for parting with mine.

Phatmiata
03-31-2015, 01:34 PM
RSA bumper is amazing. I am stupid for parting with mine.

Same........ I got one from Rspeed at an open house they had, wish I had kept it :fp:

freedomgli
04-02-2015, 01:06 PM
The lights are a separate part; they're Cibies (the same size as Tangos) but with a special bracket.

I think the original M2-1001 fog lamp was the Cibie Visage 2, which used the now obsolete H2 bulb. The Cibie Visage 3 should be a direct replacement and uses a 12V 55W H3 bulb instead but I'm not certain how readily available these are, either. Both the Visage 2 and Visage 3 are the same size: 129mm diameter and 65mm depth. Sometimes the diameter is referred to nominally as 130mm. Of course, the mounting bracket may be bespoke to the M2-1001, but brackets are easy enough to fabricate.

See http://www.cibie.com/page/foglamp/visage2.html and http://www.e-lamp.co.jp/cibie/f2.html

Interestingly, the www.cibie.com website is actually run by SS Limited Co., LTD., which is a distributor of Cibié products in Japan. SS Limited Co., LTD. is owned by Nobuo Harada, who owns several companies that deal with the import and export of automotive parts. He also owns The Harada Collection, which is an impressive display of important automobiles and military aircraft housed at the Kawaguchiko Motor Museum and the Zero Figher Museum (http://www.car-airmuseum.com).

Today the Cibié brand is owned by Valeo (http://www.valeo.com/en/). It seems they're mostly focused on modern OEM lighting systems and not the old generic fog and headlamps of the 1980s and before, so product availability is likely to be hit or miss.

roadsternut
04-02-2015, 07:00 PM
Cibie Visages are virtually unobtanium. I took the Tango, repositioned the bracket, and it fitted a treat. This is the easiest and most obvious route rather than fabricating a bracket. The Tango is readily available new; about £100 each, which is cheaper than what GHO charge.

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/S-Spec%20II/IMGP1027-1.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/S-Spec%20II/IMGP1029.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/S-Spec%20II/P1060161.jpg


Note single drilled hole

http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/S-Spec%20II/IM0002mn06.jpg


http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/S-Spec%20II/120909379.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/JAE%20in%202007/JAE2007117.jpg
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/JAE%20in%202007/JAE2007045.jpg


Don't know who this was:
http://i110.photobucket.com/albums/n109/saz9961/JAE%20in%202007/JAE2007080.jpg

roadsternut
04-02-2015, 07:04 PM
One other thing about the GHO bumper; you need to grind down the sides of your sidelights to get them to fit. No such issues with the RSA bumper. Just a warning to anyone who wants to spend big money and expects a perfect fit.

freedomgli
04-02-2015, 08:21 PM
Thanks for the pics and advice mate!

Over on Minkara, Rock Papa [ロックパパ ] posted a pic of the original support bracket and fog lamp from behind the bumper. LINK (http://minkara.carview.co.jp/en/userid/125169/car/24912/56981/note.aspx)
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freedomgli
04-02-2015, 08:22 PM
If anyone wants to buy new-old-stock GHO 1001 lamps covers......They are sitting on my shelf awaiting a long binned bumper.
PM sent. Please check your inbox.

Phatmiata
04-02-2015, 08:28 PM
I have the CIBIE lights that I purchased directly from GHO, ill see if I can dig them out to see what version they are.

Willywongka
04-02-2015, 08:44 PM
One other thing about the GHO bumper; you need to grind down the sides of your sidelights to get them to fit. No such issues with the RSA bumper. Just a warning to anyone who wants to spend big money and expects a perfect fit.

I would like to add a little info to the fitment of the turn signals on the RSA bumper. I am not sure if the oem turn signals will fit in without modification, but I had to modify my set of Jetstream tsi's in order for them to fit in the space flush.

Jamie
04-03-2015, 03:30 AM
There's a M2-1001 bumper extension over on UK eBay (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mazda-MX5-Eunos-Import-M2-1001-Style-front-bumper-drift-JDM-/191550291322?) at the moment and didn't sell for £70 the first time around (note, I have no affiliation with the seller).

Some pics of my M2-1001 bumper (fitted to my old M2-1001 - which now resides in Italy :cry2: ):

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15854148/M2-1001/2012-10-13%2008.13.43-2.jpg

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15854148/M2-1001/2013/IMG_0391.JPG

Vegard
04-03-2015, 04:38 AM
The one on eBay.uk is different.

roadsternut
04-03-2015, 06:03 AM
Yeah, I wouldn't say that extension is worth 70 notes.

I do miss my MXRoadsters-knockoff GHO knockoff M2-1001 nose.

freedomgli
04-03-2015, 11:42 AM
I've seen the Tango sometimes referred to as the Iode 40. Perhaps there was a name change at some point as they seem to go all the way back to the 1970s at least.

roadsternut
04-03-2015, 01:20 PM
I've seen the Tango sometimes referred to as the Iode 40. Perhaps there was a name change at some point as they seem to go all the way back to the 1970s at least.

Iode was used for any Cibie lamp with quartz-iodine bulbs. The full name is Cibie Iode 40 Tango. The same size lamps were an optional extra in Japan, and quite often, you see them on V-Specials, as a mouth fitting.

http://imagecdn2.panjo.com/images/8APDucuWpv7G.jpg


http://auctions.c.yimg.jp/img299.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/users/5/9/7/9/d404menaoki-img600x450-141976184316j2yh10900.jpg

For some reason, the same lamps are often found on JDM Toyotas and Mitsubishis, so must be ten a penny there. It will be easier to modify Tangos to fit, plus they are also readily available here, either new or used.

Phatmiata
04-03-2015, 02:57 PM
dont quote me on this but pretty sure the light on the version freedomgli has vs roadsternut will be a different style CIBIE light since they are different mounting style on the backside?

roadsternut
04-06-2015, 02:55 PM
dont quote me on this but pretty sure the light on the version freedomgli has vs roadsternut will be a different style CIBIE light since they are different mounting style on the backside?

The case used in the OE Mazda Cibie, M2-1001 Cibie (Cibie Visage II) and the Cibie Tango differ, but the actual glass lamp unit used is, to all intents and purposes, identical.

The M2-1001 Cibie and Cibie Tango fit in basically a similar manner

http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/carlife/images/UserCarNote/56981/p2.jpg

ie. a threaded stud, which when tightened locks the angle of the lamp, quite crudely.


The M2 lamp has an additional threaded bracket, but it appears it isn't actually used for anything. Initially I thought this was some sort of means to reduce vibration, but not so.

http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/carlife/images/UserCarNote/56981/p3.jpg

The M2 lamp dissembled reveals the same lamp used in the Tango

http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/carlife/images/UserCarNote/56981/p5.jpg
http://cdn.mkimg.carview.co.jp/carlife/images/UserCarNote/56981/p6.jpg


The OE Cibies are fairly easy to obtain; they are the right size, and it is impossible to find a non-Cibie lamp that fills the pod and look convincing. Grinding off the old brackets and fabricating a means of attachment is possible, but its a lot easier to modify the Tango as directed.

Its possible the 1001 lamp is shared with a 323;

http://cgc5081.cocolog-nifty.com/cgc5081/images/A_Img_3652_2.jpg

bogaut
04-06-2015, 10:22 PM
Its possible the 1001 lamp is shared with a 323;

http://cgc5081.cocolog-nifty.com/cgc5081/images/A_Img_3652_2.jpg




the familia gtr pictured uses a bosch lamp, and they are 6 inch housings

Phatmiata
04-07-2015, 02:05 PM
To solve some of the nose heavy weight issues you are talking about I plan to install a Beatrush Undertray panel for Mazda Miata Eunos Roadster whatever ....

Got the BeatRush Panel from ProjectGLA.com or REV9autosport.com I forget?

But honestly mine did not feel any heavier than the stock nose, but I have not put the lights in either so maybe that is why?

http://www.laile.co.jp/cooling/underpanel/detail/S550810.html

Phatmiata
04-07-2015, 02:34 PM
Beatrush panel installed on my last Miata

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/534/561/1332780497_large.jpg

And here vs stock undertray

http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/1/534/561/1332780484_large.jpg


...... on a semi rated CIBIE light note, I got these HUGE CIBIE lights several years ago for the NoPro bumper but like everything else plans get side tracked. I dug these out looking for the 1001 lights but found these as well. Does anyone know how to get the Mesh looking cover off the lights? They are separated on my 1001 lights and come off and on very easy, however these must have a hidden tab inside to remove them, I tried like a sombish to get the covers off with my hands to no avail.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8816/16882013378_605d142b66_c.jpg

Phatmiata
04-07-2015, 03:26 PM
when I get some spare time and funds the plan is to use the NoPro for the V8Roadsters.com conversion, but the wife says; "finish one car at a time please", so "Kirin" the black street car is getting first priority.

anyhow you can see here that once I take that black cover off the light will fit right inside the Nopro bumper....

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7639/16862958347_84ff047072_c.jpg

freedomgli
04-07-2015, 03:31 PM
Damn that looks good.

Phatmiata
04-07-2015, 03:32 PM
Here is the GHO 1001 Bumper with the CIBIE lights I also purchased from GHO, super nice quality too., and I realized I actually do have the cover lens Vote4Pedro, so no worries about the sizing.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8710/16882889340_8538bb9451_c.jpg

roadsternut
04-07-2015, 05:54 PM
To solve some of the nose heavy weight issues you are talking about I plan to install a Beatrush Undertray panel for Mazda Miata Eunos Roadster whatever ....

Got the BeatRush Panel from ProjectGLA.com or REV9autosport.com I forget?

But honestly mine did not feel any heavier than the stock nose, but I have not put the lights in either so maybe that is why?

http://www.laile.co.jp/cooling/underpanel/detail/S550810.html

I weighed mine, and it was heavier than a bare nose cone. But then, its not made the same as a factory nose, and didn't attach in the same way. The use of chopped glass fiber and this filler like material in the corners ensures that the noses can be popped out of the mold without problems, but not good for strength. For the copy nose, I made simple braces from the corners of the bumper to the stock bumper brace mounting points.

freedomgli
04-11-2015, 09:58 AM
Phat, what exact model Cibie lamps did GHO supply for your M2-1001 bumper?

freedomgli
04-11-2015, 10:15 AM
Lucky me, I was able to source a set of Cibie Visage III. I couldn't find any Cibie Tango fog lamps available for purchase right now (Murphy's Law) and didn't want to lose the opportunity on a rare part. I'll probably pick up a spare set of Tangos when I can find them at a good price. When I do I will compare the two side by side and report back.

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8815/17083710636_5b664a2d5b_o.jpg

https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7717/17109673105_ee4ecae5f8_o.jpg

https://farm9.staticflickr.com/8766/16902288497_378aff6811_o.jpg

Phatmiata
04-11-2015, 10:44 AM
Those look like what I have Kyle. Not sure the part number, all that stuff is in storage so until I have time to dig it out again I can't get the part number. Next time I'm in there I'll look. I won't install the aggressive looking bumper until I have some boost to back up the looks. Otherwise you'll fall under the ricer category, all show no go lol

roadsternut
04-11-2015, 04:32 PM
I won't install the aggressive looking bumper until I have some boost to back up the looks. Otherwise you'll fall under the ricer category, all show no go lol

So the 130PS M2-1001 is ricer......

freedomgli
04-11-2015, 05:09 PM
I think Randy meant to say he needs a V8 conversion to back up the aggressive looks of the wide body Nopro bumper because without major power it's all bark and no bite.

Phatmiata
04-11-2015, 06:46 PM
So the 130PS M2-1001 is ricer......


Yes, here in the USA if you have a bodykit and no boost to back it up you'll be labelled with the ricer category, might still fall under that label anyhow. But without boost most surely, that is just the labels they give here in the USA.

John J
04-12-2015, 02:22 PM
Has anyone checked the fog light used in the 2015 Kia Soul for a replacement alternative? Looks like it may work with some mounting alterations.

roadsternut
04-13-2015, 05:27 PM
Even if it did fit, Cibie Tangos are cheaper, and regularly appear for sale used.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Mini-COOPER-COOPER-S-IMP-MIGET-ETC-CIDIE-TANGO-DRIVING-LAMPS-/151646345588?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item234ed39974

freedomgli
04-13-2015, 07:01 PM
I saw those and would have bought them but I wanted fog lamps, not driving lamps. They would make a great core for someone wanting to do an LED retrofit. There are some relatively cheap 5" KC brand LEDs on eBay that could be harvested for parts and stuffed into the Cibie Tango form factor. As-is, I'm not sure they're a great deal as one of the lamps needs to be replaced due to internal corrosion that will effect light output and may even be an MOT failure.