KL Powered V6 Miata

[Phatmiata]

I hear there is one being built here in Tampa, FL ........... Are there any others out here on the interwebs?

Here is the 1st one built


http://youtu.be/ocQ_R5MO7Vc

[Maikeru]

I want one, but find the hood he made to be hidious.

[I<3flippyheadlights]

His gauge cluster doesn't work....

And only 180 to the wheels with a V6 and IRTB's? Is that a normal amount?

But enough hate, it looks so nice!

[Maikeru]

And only 180 to the wheels with a V6 and IRTB's? Is that a normal amount?


For a KL it is. lol. They really aren't that great of a motor. It's just nice to keep it in the family.

[HMT]

Meanwhile in the UK:

http://i998.photobucket.com/albums/af105/Fellatthelast/21a1df1a.jpg

Can be found on MX5Nutz :)

[concealer404]

I want one, but find the hood he made to be hidious.

Necessary to supply air to the ITB setup that WAS on that car. (I now own that very setup.)


His gauge cluster doesn't work....

And only 180 to the wheels with a V6 and IRTB's? Is that a normal amount?

But enough hate, it looks so nice!

I believe the car was running an Autronic EMS. It wasn't a street car, dedicated SSM car, the gauges don't matter much.

180whp isn't bad for a motor that originally made 164 crank. The only changes to the motor were exhaust, ITBs, and some ZE pistons. Ended up making in the 190s. That's a HUGE gain when you think about it, especially considering the car was even running stock cams. HUGE gains to be had there.

I'm looking for 250-260whp out of mine on STOCK bottom end with this same ITB setup if that tells you anything.



For a KL it is. lol. They really aren't that great of a motor. It's just nice to keep it in the family.

KLs are nasty motors... the engineering behind them is incredible. They really shine under boost, and i think there's huge N/A potential there, just no real support. Stay tuned, i guess. :)

[Maikeru]

Necessary to supply air to the ITB setup that WAS on that car. (I now own that very setup.)


I understand it's necessary. But I still think it's ugly as fk and could have been done better.

[concealer404]

I understand it's necessary. But I still think it's ugly as fuck and could have been done better.

I would agree. You'll be pleased to know that current owner of that car is using a traditional manifold on the car and is going with a stock hood as far as i know. :lol:

I'm not entirely sure what i'm going to do yet with my car with those ITBs.

[Phatmiata]

......
And only 180 to the wheels with a V6 and IRTB's? Is that a normal amount?



only? A stock 1.6L is only like 90hp to the wheels on a good day! I'd say 180 N/A hp to the wheels is pretty damn tits!

[ThatWhiteNA]

^This. 180 hp in a Miata is more than enough to be fun.

[Phatmiata]

Meanwhile in the UK:



Can be found on MX5Nutz :)


Got a link for us across the pond mate?

[concealer404]

only? A stock 1.6L is only like 90hp to the wheels on a good day! I'd say 180 N/A hp to the wheels is pretty damn tits!

I would be ok with 100rwhp if it made those noises, too...


Anyways, i want to see more "KLiatas," so i'll definitely be keeping you guys posted on what my Escort ends up making. I believe there's a couple people developing swap kits for this motor in a Miata, and i'm hoping it ends up being only slightly more expensive than boosting the stock motor, and if it looks like 240whp is pretty attainable, i bet it'd be just as fast if not faster. :D

[turbotyla]

whoa how did i miss this thread.

i am currently doing this swap.

I cannot say that i have started. But i do have an engine that has been honed and cleaned at the machine shop and just tonight i started putting it all back together.I am going with a stock rebuilt with all new parts. And then will boost it later and possibly get into a built lower end to swap out.

i am the only one currently trying to keep the stock intake and keep it obd2 and emissions legal.

i will have more to add to this thread soon being that my short block will be together soon and i have a car that i can start fabricating in. so hopefully have more to update. ill throw a few pictures in here to just make the post worth while. i also need to start a build thread here soon.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn173/turbotylaa/DSC_2761.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn173/turbotylaa/2011-12-18_22-06-04_447-1.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn173/turbotylaa/DSC01417.jpg

[HMT]

Got a link for us across the pond mate?

Sure thing: http://www.mx5nutz.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=72269

I'm not too keen on the intake setup or the body work but i think this is a great conversion!
I love the K-series engines for their sound and the way they are engineered - power of the 2.5 aint too shabby either, especially the ZE really flies in a light car.

[Maikeru]

Turbotyla, your putting in your NB? Should be cool.

[turbotyla]

Yup. The plans are to keep the intake but rotate it 180 I have a custom spacer being machined.

And for it to retain the obd2 and still pass emissions.

I may have to cut the Hood though but I guess we will see when I get there.

As I said I'll start a build thread soon. And update it. Just have to have the time

[FooSchnickens]

Necessary to supply air to the ITB setup that WAS on that car. (I now own that very setup.)



I believe the car was running an Autronic EMS. It wasn't a street car, dedicated SSM car, the gauges don't matter much.

180whp isn't bad for a motor that originally made 164 crank. The only changes to the motor were exhaust, ITBs, and some ZE pistons. Ended up making in the 190s. That's a HUGE gain when you think about it, especially considering the car was even running stock cams. HUGE gains to be had there.

I'm looking for 250-260whp out of mine on STOCK bottom end with this same ITB setup if that tells you anything.




KLs are nasty motors... the engineering behind them is incredible. They really shine under boost, and i think there's huge N/A potential there, just no real support. Stay tuned, i guess. :)

So how do you plan to deal with the oiling issues that arose in the first iteration of this swap? IIRC that's why he ended up shelving this project.

[turbotyla]

I don't think I will have oiling issues.

I have herd that if you plan to review them really high and push over 500 hp out of them then they have oiling problems.

But just turning the engine shouldn't be an issue. I am making my own pickup and oil pan. I also will be running a oil filter relocation kit.

So there will be no lack of oil. Also my motor will stay stock until I run low boost and when I get into the f/I I will build another block.

But there are some modifications that people are having done to the oil ports to allow for better oiling at higher stress levels.

[FooSchnickens]

I see. Didn't know how "ambitious" your goals were going to be.

[concealer404]

So how do you plan to deal with the oiling issues that arose in the first iteration of this swap? IIRC that's why he ended up shelving this project.

It wasn't oiling issues, it was weight. The KL turned out to be heavier than the BP, and the minimum weight in the class is lower for a BP due to lower displacement vs. the KL.

And he was having a hard time making the power he wanted n/a. And if boosting, may as well just go BP for autox use. :lol:


He probably did mention oiling issues at some point, though. I remember he was asking around almost a year ago about spinning a KL to 9000rpms, and yes, at that point, oiling issues do pop up.

[turbotyla]

Does any one have full weight of both engines.

I will get the weight of the v6 as a long block and dressed.

I don't imagine that there is a huge difference . I guess I will see when I pull mine.

Also you do gain some advantage being that the engine is further back just a little.

Plus after I get emissions out of the way I plan on dropping the v6 intake for something lighter and smaller. So I'm sure I wont gain much if any at all.

I will be dropping the power steering and notching my subframe. So I'm going to try and keep it around stock. I guess I should weigh my whole car before and after. Being that my car will stay a street car.

[concealer404]

Does any one have full weight of both engines.

I will get the weight of the v6 as a long block and dressed.

I don't imagine that there is a huge difference . I guess I will see when I pull mine.

Also you do gain some advantage being that the engine is further back just a little.

Plus after I get emissions out of the way I plan on dropping the v6 intake for something lighter and smaller. So I'm sure I wont gain much if any at all.

I will be dropping the power steering and notching my subframe. So I'm going to try and keep it around stock. I guess I should weigh my whole car before and after. Being that my car will stay a street car.

CodingParadox came up with about 105lbs heavier for the KL shortblock than the BP.

[turbotyla]

That's not too bad.

[turbotyla]

update.

here is link with pictures i dont want to repost them all. http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=434146&page=10

here is a few though. i had spacers milled to adapt the intake to face foward.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn173/turbotylaa/DSC01452.jpg

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn173/turbotylaa/DSC01453.jpg

[heybluguy]

random

[turbotyla]

well this thread is dead but i guess ill just throw this in here. its not done but its getting there. hopefully in the next couple months ill have some videos of the amazing exhaust note.

http://i304.photobucket.com/albums/nn173/turbotylaa/2012-07-12_20-04-39_575.jpg

[The Driver]

Or why build one, when you can buy one...


http://forum.miata.net/vb/showthread.php?t=457263

[concealer404]

Yep that's the car that was in the very first post. Everyone will be glad to see that the nasty hood is gone. :lol:

[turbotyla]

Building it is half of the fun. I would rather build then buy.

Plus mine is an nb.

[The Driver]

Building it is half of the fun. I would rather build then buy.

.

If you have the place and the know how, neither of which I have... :(

[turbotyla]

well there is the price for one buy it.

[The Driver]

well there is the price for one buy it.

For that much $$$? No thanks.

[turbotyla]

i was hoping someone would buy it so there for it would raise the value of my car hahaha.

well i think in the next couple years there will be swap parts for this engine. because it fits the bill perfect. and i think they will be cheaper swap parts than the lsx swaps.

the engine is small light and keeps it all mazda and gives you 160-200 bhp depending on which one you want and keeps it n/a. plus a superb exhaust note.

seems better than boosting a 200k plus engine. i think atleast. i hope there is swap kits out in the next couple years.

shit i even thought about making another subframe, oil pan, oil pick up. to sell when im done.

if i get my garage built that i want next year i plan to fabricate some items for the miata community. small niche items that would be more fun making than trying to profit off of. so who knows i may end being a conduit for those parts.

[Red]

MONSTER REBORN!!!
back from the dead lol !!!!!!!!!!!!
how did the swap turn out?
My older brothers were in to mx-6;s growing up, so far they've gone through 4-6 of them, swapped ZE's
My got to own a black mx-6 with a ZE swap this things are MEAN!!! the mx-6 is a pretty heavy car, when I
gutted my 95' swapped ZE I was about 1/4 of a car behind a 2015 Civic Si. 5th gear HWY run....
I just needed to gut the dash out and I would take care of that problem..........anyways
We have seen that Kl swapped Miata and a kit would be nice.......@turbotyla how about that swap setup?
JDM Spec KLZE (200hp) can be obtain around 600$-800$
K20 JDM spec (200hp) around 1200-1500$ so its a big difference in $$$ for nearly the same power output, give or take in either one.........
I'm interested in this swap setup......mostly to the fact that we have KLZE''s sitting in the backyard lol.

[Agent☣Orange]

I for one love necro threads.

[Red]

lol, did he ever finish it though?

[Unk577]

Abandoned and went with a motor that didn't need everything custom made and can make as much or more power.

[Red]

thanks, for the info Unk577