Axxis is also known as PBR, maybe that's part of it.
I've always heard they were the exact same product, just different packaging.
The first set I got a couple years ago came in the gray Axxis boxes, and the ones I put on a couple months ago came in the black PBR packaging.
How's the bedding in process for Carbotechs? Where would one go besides the track to bed them in?
Or you could save yourself a lot of hassle and money and just get HP+'s, great dual purpose pad - IMO.
Or Axxis if it's dual purpose on a small track. It's a pretty versatile pad
Cobalt Friction. Spendy but excellent products. Technically do not need to be bedded in either. Put your hawks on the shelf and step up to real pads.
Xr3 fronts 16, yes sixteen, track days later (stock power). Exposed to the rivets but still useable. Could squeeze another day or two out of them.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but those don't seem like a dual purpose pad either. Comparable to the XP8, even though it has a cold operating temp, how is the bite when cold? Do you street them? I was seriously considering these pads as they were a bit cheaper than the XP8s, but I still thought they would probably be too aggressive for daily use. Plus I got my HP+ F/R for about the same price as a set of XR3 fronts... which is a huge savings. Might not last me as long, but its still like half the price.
It's pretty hard to recommend pads for "occasional track use." If you are lapping all out for 30 minutes, or making passes in the braking zone, you need a lot higher temp pad than 90% of the people I've run into at lapping days and "street schools." I would say more than 50% of people at a typical track day can get away with OEM quite easily. More than 75% can get away with a mild upgrade like the EBC Green, (decent wear and easy dust clean-up). The remainder can benefit from a truly aggressive "street" pad, of which a few good ones were discussed, already.
The truth is (or should be) only the most aggressive drivers (top 25%?) will contribute to this thread, because they have actually experienced braking problems and needed upgraded pads.
So, what is your driving style on the track? Are you the last of the great late brakers? Threshold braking every turn and trail-braking to the edge of reason? Or, do you sort of roll off the throttle, brake to near turn-down, then roll back on throttle? How much power do you have? Are you slowing the car from 160mph on the straights?
I generally recommend EBC Green or Yellow to people until the prove they need something more. If you're like me, and seemingly try to set the lap record with every lap, then there is no dual-purpose pad - You may need a dedicated pad (and rotors) like Hawk DTC 60, or the Cobalt XR3 referrenced above.
Last edited by Bummer; 01-08-2012 at 09:12 AM.
Running Porterfiels R4S on front and rear. The pad makes no noise and at all . Light to med dust and although i might overheat them at an hpde day and they oper temp goes to 1100 so i seriously doubt i'll over heat them on the street. Even with stock rubber lines these pads grab predictably at any level. I am looking at moving to the xp8 next time just to change it up.
A little worried about the xp8's cold temp bite though 250Deg might not be the right pad for me
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