I'm not calling anyone a liar or anything, or that it didn't happen under proper driving for the conditions. I'm just saying that the condition my tires were and are in, I never had issues of loosing control or spinning out. And considering I don't have to worry about gassing up my car every 3 days anymore (more like once every 3 weeks), I don't exactly drive like a grandma anymore. In fact, my 1.6 sees redline just about every day, several times a way.