Could anyone explain the difference between Tein Flex and Tein Monoflex?

[The Driver]

Like the title said. I know that by the summer I'll have adj coil overs, just need to figure out which will be.


Not planning to autocross or track much, but I do want a supple and sporty ride. Other sets being considered are XIDA's and FCM, but I Tein sets may work fine for me at a substantial savings.

So what say you?

[kung fu jesus]

Tein Flex have dual tube dampers, the Mono Flex are monotube.

http://www.autoaccessoriesgarage.com/img/articles/suspension/shocks.png

Differences between dual and monotube. (http://www.kyb.com/service/monotube.php)

For reference, most shocks are dual tube. Koni, AGX, Tockico, Monroe, etc. Monotube shocks include Bilsteins.

According to your preferences, you want dual tube dampers.

[EMMI]

u should be fine with the FLEX, its a tid-bit softer and easier to drive on an everyday basis

[The Driver]

Txs guys! Any longevity advantages to either set up? Sorry If I sound like a noob, but when it comes to suspensions, I really am!


Kung fu, excellent graph!

[atlnb]

I've had the twin tube flex for ~20k miles and still functions the same as the first day I got them. Only street driven. They still have a lot of juice left in them

[kung fu jesus]

longevity is hard to compare. there have been documented shock dynos of 100k mile bilsteins still running within spec. it all depends on the manufacturing and materials.

[atlnb]

Basically

[Conundrum]

I've had my Flex for about a year, I put about 17,000 miles on them . They still feel like new. I do wonder sometimes if I should have saved the extra little bit to get mono flex but I have no reason to now. I have never tracked them, but I do toss the car around sometimes. No problems what so ever.

[jdmfc3s90]

I had the Mono flex on my NA for about 10k. I loved every second of them. I enjoy add the added stiffness from the higher spring rate, and the dampening as well, compared to my friends NA with regular flex. Feed back and response was super sharp and easy to translate. If i had the money, mono again all the way

[The Driver]

I really need to drive cars with with all of the coil overs being considered. Txs for your inputs y'all, keep 'em coming!

[wannafbody]

For the price I'd go with Xida CS from 949

[atlnb]

That's what everyone says.
That's the route I'm going though.

[The Driver]

For the price I'd go with Xida CS from 949

I've read your threads/posts on M.net, but $2K for coilovers is nothing to sneeze at...

[atlnb]

^I agree, but 1800 isn't either

[jdmfc3s90]

As i read the Original post, it doesn't seem like you'll be tracking much. Have you considered STANCE or BC coilovers? Both have been proven to drift quite well, can be slammed or as high as they can go, with a decent ride. For the price difference, they both should be thrown into the mix.

[The Driver]

As i read the Original post, it doesn't seem like you'll be tracking much. Have you considered STANCE or BC coilovers? Both have been proven to drift quite well, can be slammed or as high as they can go, with a decent ride. For the price difference, they both should be thrown into the mix.

Slamming is NOT for me. Lowering a bit while having excellent traction and driving characteristics is.

[stormin'norman]

Go with the Flex with the ots rates. Hell, with little to no autox or tracking in mind that's probably even overkill. SS (street advance) and some NB hats would fit the bill at a moderate right height.

[Silver92B]

Monotube, 30 way damping, custom rates... I just pulled the trigger on Fortune Auto coilovers. For $1100 they are unbeatable. They go in my car tomorrow!

http://www.fotomecanico.com/miata/coilovers/fortune1.jpg

* Dyno tested*
* Mono-tube shock design
* IP synthetic 5w or 10w shock oil (prevents cavitation and promotes superior heat dissipation)
* Stainless steel body / piston
* 30-way adjustable dampers
* Spherical Bearings
* Dust boots on all pistons
* Oversized digressive 57mm piston housing
* Anodized aluminum camber plates* on front upper-mounts
* 1 year Manufacturer's Warranty
* Height adjustment independent of pre-load
* Rebound Adjustable
* Swift springs upgrade available
* Rebuild-able in the USA
* Re-valveable in the USA

[The Driver]

Monotube, 30 way damping, custom rates... I just pulled the trigger on Fortune Auto coilovers. For $1100 they are unbeatable. They go in my car tomorrow!

http://www.fotomecanico.com/miata/coilovers/fortune1.jpg

* Dyno tested*
* Mono-tube shock design
* IP synthetic 5w or 10w shock oil (prevents cavitation and promotes superior heat dissipation)
* Stainless steel body / piston
* 30-way adjustable dampers
* Spherical Bearings
* Dust boots on all pistons
* Oversized digressive 57mm piston housing
* Anodized aluminum camber plates* on front upper-mounts
* 1 year Manufacturer's Warranty
* Height adjustment independent of pre-load
* Rebound Adjustable
* Swift springs upgrade available
* Rebuild-able in the USA
* Re-valveable in the USA

Dude, more specifics, this looks like a WINNER! Any dyno curves on this baby's?

[Titus]

Dude, more specifics, this looks like a WINNER! Any dyno curves on this baby's?

Looks like R-Speed is selling them. http://www.rspeed.net/Rspeed_Fortune_Auto_Coil_Over_Miata_MX_5_p/nab-34500.htm

And I found these shock dynos:

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/fortune%20auto%20shock%20at%20250%20degrees%20cvp. jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/compression%20rebound%20illustartion.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/SCN_0018.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/high%20speed.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/Street%20Valving%20-%20Fortune%20Auto%20Shock.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/SCN_0017-3.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/Fortune%20Auto%20Digressive%20Valving.jpg

[atlnb]

very nice! any reason why you decided to go with the normal springs instead of swift?

[Silver92B]

double post, please ignore it ;)

[Silver92B]

Looks like R-Speed is selling them. http://www.rspeed.net/Rspeed_Fortune_Auto_Coil_Over_Miata_MX_5_p/nab-34500.htm

And I found these shock dynos:




^^^ great research and info! But not applicable to my coilovers. Those graphs are for a 3000 lb race car with 1600 lb springs.^^^^

I am enthusiastic about these coilovers and can't wait to get them installed tomorrow! Actually, they will be installed at RSpeed. I'm happy to have them do it. I trust them with my car.
The results will be more clear once I actually drive on them and adjust them to my liking. I was going to post more info but it looks like you have covered it quite well!

[atlnb]

RSpeed is the place to go! Enjoy them

[Silver92B]

very nice! any reason why you decided to go with the normal springs instead of swift?

Well, I don't know if the extra cost and performance factor would be advantageous for my application... If I decide later to upgrade the springs, I have the option to do it, and do it right :mrgreen: After all, that's one of the good pluses of the Fortune Auto coilovers. I can get them upgraded, rebuilt and revalved to match whatever spring rates I choose. For now I am choosing a street setup.

[The Driver]

Looks like R-Speed is selling them. http://www.rspeed.net/Rspeed_Fortune_Auto_Coil_Over_Miata_MX_5_p/nab-34500.htm

And I found these shock dynos:

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/fortune%20auto%20shock%20at%20250%20degrees%20cvp. jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/compression%20rebound%20illustartion.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/SCN_0018.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/high%20speed.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/Street%20Valving%20-%20Fortune%20Auto%20Shock.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/SCN_0017-3.jpg

http://www.fortune-auto.net/Shock%20Dyno%20Tech/Fortune%20Auto%20Digressive%20Valving.jpg


Txs Titus! I think I got a winner on the "Which Adj coilovers will The Driver get"...

[Silver92B]

Driver & Titus, everything is good and all, but those dyno graphs are not for the Miata. Unfortunately those graphs are for a 3000 lb race car with 1600lb springs.... Of course, they can make you a set with similar test results for your cars, but they don't represent mine.

I have the new Fortune 510's with improved valving for my springs (250/400) and my application. I'll post the actual dyno test results of my coilovers a soon as I get them. Meanwhile here are some representative graphs for a Miata application:

http://www.fortune-auto.net/510%20pro/510%20series%20gen2.png

http://www.fortune-auto.net/510%20pro/510%20series%20gen2a.png



Cheers!

[atlnb]

Fair enough, either way I hear it's a great setup especially for the price. Let us know how you enjoy them

[The Driver]

Driver & Titus, everything is good and all, but those dyno graphs are not for the Miata. Unfortunately those graphs are for a 3000 lb race car with 1600lb springs.... Of course, they can make you a set with similar test results for your cars, but they don't represent mine.

I have the new Fortune 510's with improved valving for my springs (250/400) and my application. I'll post the actual dyno test results of my coilovers a soon as I get them. Meanwhile here are some representative graphs for a Miata application:

Cheers!


Well, where did you get yours?

Very, VERY interested!

[jdmfc3s90]

Edit- Rspeed carries them. I re-read the thread.