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06-10-2014, 11:47 AM
CSP Miata Secrets

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The wonderful thing about SCCA Solo competition, also known as autocross, is you can go have fun with any car – no special preparation or safety equipment, other than a helmet and working seat belts, necessary. Of course, if you start with a Mazda MX-5 Miata, you’re probably having more fun than a lot of people right off the bat.

While SCCA offers a class for just about everything in stock form, things get more fun when you can start preparing the car more for competition without the compromises that a street car must offer. While the Miata is fun, the features that Mazda must put in to make it safe and comfortable on the road ultimately add weight. If you can get rid of a bunch of weight, and stiffen up the handling – so much so that it’s no longer comfortable on the street – then you’ve got something. Go far enough, and you’ve built yourself a C Street Prepared car like Bill Schenker’s.

While the category is called Street Prepared, there’s really not any street left in a car that’s taken to the limit of the rules – no interior, racing seat, racing steering wheel, competition harnesses … all those things make it illegal and/or uncomfortable to drive on the street. So if you’re going to do it, be prepared to dedicate a car to autocross competition.

Building a C Street Prepared car can get expensive in a hurry. Ask Bill Schenker what it takes to build a CSP car like his, capable of winning National-level events and showing well at the Solo National Championships, and he replies, jokingly, “Be rich.” But when he gets serious, he says there are blueprints to follow that will get you to a competitive car without all the trial and error that he did along the way.

“Look at the Eckles car,” he says, referring to the ’94 Miata that Sue Eckles and John Hunter drove to the CSP Ladies and CSP National Championship in 2013. “They’ve got a junkyard VVT motor in it. They’ve done it on a budget to some degree and they’re super competitive. It’s not the money you throw at the car, it’s how you put it together. Suspension is everything. Shocks are the most important.”

Part of hitting the right setup is starting with quality shocks, springs and anti-sway bars. There’s no point in taking intermediary steps here, Schenker says – go straight for the good stuff. Then it comes down to the details.

“I see so many people whose ride heights are off. They’re too low on the front, too high on the back, things like that. It’s all those things that change the car around. Anthony [Porta, his co-driver for the San Diego Championship Tour event] has a Mazdaspeed, and he says my car just sticks more. I’ve got better shocks, but it’s also – with the help of others – got all the details of ride heights and camber. A lot of people make the mistake of putting more camber in the rear than the front. You want a lot of camber on the front and maybe 0.7 degrees less in the rear,” he says
Above all, don’t be afraid to ask questions.

The autocross grid isn’t like Gasoline Alley at Indy – most people all are too happy to share what they’ve done. Every part that Schenker has put on, he lists here http://www.miataroadster.com/racers

“See what the top guys are doing,” notes Schenker. “See what the Eckles car is like, see what the Tom Kubo car is like, see what I do. It’s a pretty simple formula, and if you go straight to that formula, you’ll save a lot of money.

And, of course, don’t forget to take advantage of the Mazdaspeed Motorsports Development Team Support Program and its corresponding parts discounts and contingencies. Those discounts can go a long way when building a new car for competition.

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Bummer
06-10-2014, 09:23 PM
I'm one of those idiots trying to keep the car streetable in CSP. I love winning, but I just love the backroads, too.

WASABI
06-11-2014, 05:31 AM
I love winning, but I just love the backroads, too.

Great line!

KAL
06-11-2014, 06:15 AM
Build list here: http://www.miataroadster.com/racers

Phatmiata
06-11-2014, 08:13 AM
Build list here: http://www.miataroadster.com/racers

thanks KAL, I will update it!! :bow:

atlnb
06-26-2014, 09:34 PM
I too run the fine line of running CSP in my daily driver. But CSP happened by accident.

atlnb
01-30-2015, 04:15 PM
I don't think this requires a new thread so I'll just add to this one. What is everyone's thought on the Lexan spoiler BlackFab came out with earlier this year? It seems like the spoiler is a great design, and would be useful, however it looks like the spoiler is longer than the maximum length of 10" which is a big bummer. Anyone using this spoiler or a similar DIY option? I would imagine you would need to incorporate a functional front splitter to balance the downforce of the rear to prevent understeer but wanted to see what people in CSP are doing out there.

kung fu jesus
01-30-2015, 07:51 PM
You want to know who else runs junkyard motors and is full of win? SuperMiata. Yeah, I said it. Oh, and they do standing starts, which is bad_ass.

:drops mic:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOUASyjUNt8

Bummer
01-30-2015, 10:59 PM
The Blackbird spoiler doesn't look like it complies with the 10" rule to me. I don't run a rear spoiler, but my competition does, and it seems to be a distinct advantage. When he removed it, he and co-driver were several spots slower on the index. He runs with a GV style front lip, no splitter.

ozbrock
01-31-2015, 09:29 AM
*deleted for incorrect information*

atlnb
01-31-2015, 10:23 AM
From what I've seen, the AOA is adjustable but not the height. 12" at 45* is still 12" at any other angle.

ozbrock
01-31-2015, 05:56 PM
Just saw his post on CR.net, he said he can make a custom 10" version.

atlnb
01-31-2015, 09:55 PM
Yea i saw that too. I'm going to look more into that

modernbeat
02-01-2015, 10:53 AM
...The autocross grid isn’t like Gasoline Alley at Indy – most people all are too happy to share what they’ve done. Every part that Schenker has put on, he lists here http://www.miataroadster.com/racers...

Schenker has started a D-Prepared build out of this car. Some of the things, like the wraparound header and rear mounted radiator will be visible, but he's not sharing everything on this one.

wannafbody
02-02-2015, 08:31 PM
Did he ever win Nationals in CSP with this car?

atlnb
02-03-2015, 01:56 PM
So, BlackFab was kind enough to get back in touch with me regarding a 10" version spoiler. He said he'd be happy to do it, but it would cost ~$75.00 extra for the modification. I figure at that price, i can custom make one and do it for about the same price. Just an FYI to those interested.

atlnb
03-05-2015, 10:01 AM
Here's a website I found to be quite helpful on tuning suspension and tires.

http://www.ncrscca.com/autocross-tuning-tips

Not sure if anyone has looked at it, but it was a good read and something I refer back to from time to time.

Blueiii
12-11-2016, 03:39 PM
Anyone else here run CSP?

MX5RACER
09-26-2017, 01:06 PM
I do not run very many Autocrosses anymore, but when I do, I run CSP.

Midtenn86
02-23-2018, 09:44 AM
Man this brings back memories. I drove Darren Darby's 10AE CSP Miata back in 2010 to 5th place at Nationals. Top prep cars are a blast to drive. So much grip and just the right amount power. Crazy thing was the car was down on power from a clogged fuel filter and had a bent rear subframe when I drove it. The following year he sold the car to go W2W. I see it for sale every so often and think about buying it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F28bm6oHS_c

Blueiii
02-24-2018, 06:12 AM
Lotsa shifts, eh? I believe that car is for sale right now.

Midtenn86
02-26-2018, 12:07 PM
Lotsa shifts, eh? I believe that car is for sale right now.

The car was running a 6 speed and 3.9 final drive at that time. The following year he swapped to a 5 speed and 4.1 to reduce the shifts and keep off the limiter. Sustained time on the rev limiter was destroying the valve seats on the VVT engines. Yes, the car was for sale a month or so ago. If I was getting back into National level auto-x, I'd buy it in a heartbeat and put it on a diet, and pick up a SM VVT head.

Car for sale. I can't say I can agree with the repaint from 10AE blue though
: https://www.miataturbo.net/cars-sale-trade-6/fs-1999-10ae-miata-autox-solo-csp-94792/