Miatas Before the Gap powered by Rspeed

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Join us for the Jzilla Trackdays before the Gap powered by Rspeed event on August 2nd at Atlanta Motorsports Park!

We will keep the pricing low as this is a weekday event. MX5's will take over Atlanta Motorsports Park before the annual gathering at Deal's Gap. This is open to other car groups but instructed group is limited to MX5 owners.

Novice instruction is reserved for MX5 drivers first and will be open to the public if it does not fill up.

NA/NB must have a 4 point approved roll bar. Please check with event organizers and staff beforehand if you have questions.

NC/ND may run with the stock rollover protection, but will be restricted to tires with a UTQG of 101 and higher. Below that, we require an approved aftermarket rollbar.

Instructed Groups are also restricted to tires UTQG greater than 100.

Registration ends on July 28, 2018 11:59 PM EDT

https://www.motorsportreg.com/events/miatas-before-gap-atlanta-motorsports-park-jzilla-trackdays-668916

https://www.facebook.com/miatasbeforethegap/

Ill post this info on the Florida FB page maybe you can get some North Florida guys to drive up

Our GearheadsMiataClub.net guys are not unfamiliar with this event.

It should be a righteous jam we hope grows to become its own destination event. :) Ideally, we would love to outgrow AMP and see it turn into a weekend event at Road Atlanta. We think AMP is the perfect track for Miatas and one of the premiere roadcourses in the US.

I guess I’m persona non grata over there. I see I’ve been banned, maybe from inactivity or something else. :D

Spots are still available for Novice with certified instruction! Other groups are also filling!

KMiata is onboard!

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Originally Posted by kung fu jesus

Spots are still available for Novice with certified instruction! Other groups are also filling!

KMiata is onboard!

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Track dummy question...Is that wheel to wheel racing or timed?

Sidenote: I was going with a "Deuce" roll bar for looks but that seems to limit what I can do at track days. I have decided to now go with one that could be recognized by track organizations. It is more fun to drive than look at a car!

Neither. HPDE is non-racing, non-timed.

You can time your own laps if you like. This is about education and testing your skills in the safe confines of a track environment in a friendly atmosphere. You will be on the track with other cars, you are likely to pass or be passed. This event, if you are in the instructed novice group, will pair you with an instructor who will help you familiarize yourself with the finer points of being on a track, improving your technique, answering your questions, and providing further instruction about primary performance driving principles. There will also be some casual group instruction to introduce you those principles. Some of these may include threshold braking, weight transfer, proper safety, passing and being passed, etc.

I encourage novices and intermediate drivers to ask for rides with other advanced drivers to see how they take certain lines. You can get a good feel for how certain modifications and skill enhance a particular car this way. As a novice, you can also request other instructors to ride with you later in the day to glean more information or tips.

HPDE is the introduction to advanced track activities like time trials/time attack, wheel to wheel racing.

Thanks for the detailed explanation. I do understand the concept of HPDE, I just did not know what your Atlanta event was all about.
If I can get my drivetrain sorted out I will probably try a HPDE at Waterford or Gingerman raceway as a primer. I can probably get away with a set of pads and good brake fluid to get started.

It would be awesome to drop the wife off with my daughter in Chattanooga and go to your event and the dragon.

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Originally Posted by MiataQuest

It would be awesome to drop the wife off with my daughter in Chattanooga and go to your event and the dragon.

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You have a Miata with a backseat? :blaugh2:

Still want to make this event. Just trying to work my schedule out to be out of work in the middle of the week. :gonk:

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It would be awesome to drop the wife off with my daughter in Chattanooga and go to your event and the dragon.

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You have a Miata with a backseat? :blaugh2:

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I'm guessing his daughter lives in Chattanooga, so he'd only have his wife in the car.

Here are some videos of AMP from different Miatas to show what it's like to drive the track and what Jzilla HPDEs at AMP are like:

https://youtu.be/cerSKTI1aic

https://youtu.be/CklGBmn1eps

This is James Marcellana (aka "Jzilla") describing what his events are about. It is unique compared to those I have done, and he tries to model them on the camaraderie and fun of M@LSR.

https://youtu.be/WL_c_4sdfXE


I would be happy to go over any questions or concerns you have to help you decide! :)

Jzilla hosted an FRS/BRZ HPDE the day before their Deals Gap event last year and it was a LOT of fun! My only vested interest is to grow this event, give those of us east of the Mississippi a chance to experience the fun of M@LRS closer to a national Miata gathering. Autocross has been staged during previous M@TG events, but never the thrill of lapping the world-class tracks so near. Personally, I'd love to see this grow to where we can do it at Road Atlanta (hallowed ground for American motorsports). I think if we can, maybe with Mazda's forthcoming presence in nearby Huntsville, this could be a complimentary event to the M@LRS. :)

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You have a Miata with a backseat? :blaugh2:

Still want to make this event. Just trying to work my schedule out to be out of work in the middle of the week. :gonk:

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Do we still need to do your brakes? My school schedule is freeing up. Let me know and we can knock it out one afternoon.

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Do we still need to do your brakes? My school schedule is freeing up. Let me know and we can knock it out one afternoon.

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That would be great! I just need to pads and rotors and we should be good. Ethan picked up an NB2 also so we have been doing stuff on his.

Awesome! Would love to see you there, Anthony! :)

AMP is not too hard on brakes, but there are two heavy braking zones. T1 and T6. I see 95-105mph going into T1 off the long front straight, ~70-75 into T6. Both are downhill.

Let me know if you have any questions. I may be busy at this event, but the car won’t be as much a concern as Charlotte was because I’ll be closer to home and it’s a place I know well.

I’m looking forward to this event! If anyone has any questions I’d also be happy to answer them! I’ve been running with Jzilla for YEARS!

Here are some photos from past Jzilla events that I've taken! Come out to the event and I'll try and get some awesome photos of your car for you!

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/894/4...9817ff79_c.jpgIMG_3811 by Danny Sawyer, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/810/3...73cb51a7_c.jpgIMG_3861 by Danny Sawyer, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/894/2...54765061_c.jpgIMG_4019 by Danny Sawyer, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/802/3...67a7cb2c_c.jpgIMG_4370 by Danny Sawyer, on Flickr

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/578/3...1fb2b602_c.jpgIMG_7597 by Danny Sawyer, on Flickr

https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3853/...66b58f10_c.jpgIMG_9728 by Danny Sawyer, on Flickr

We have KMiata, Exocet, Keisler on board. R-Speed of course, too . :) V8Roadsters has also expressed interest, among others. It will be cool to see them showcase and demonstrate some gear!

If tsingson makes it then I will be tagging along too. It's just quite a drive to make in a semi-prepped Miata with no AC in the summertime from the Piedmont of NC.

If you're already in the Deal's Gap area, it's a lovely drive.

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Originally Posted by kung fu jesus

If you're already in the Deal's Gap area, it's a lovely drive.

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Unfortunately it's over a 6 hr drive from where we're at. It's a fair bit removed from the Gap, which I think is 2.5 hr away.

I reached out to AJ Schramm with a couple of questions about my rollbar and being ok for the event but I haven't heard back yet. Is this geared more towards beginners and instruction? This will be possibly my first event and not sure how this will go with all the information being thrown at me.

Steven, Sigma lives right next door. :blaugh2:

Neighbors love us.

We are gearing it towards everyone, but we have instructors especially for novices.

The neat thing about an HPDE with so many Miatas, is you can get a chance to see and feel what different Miata configurations can do. If you see someone with a mod(s) you are considering, chat them up, ride with them in their car, get a feel for it, get real feedback.

What are your rollbar questions?

I read on Bethania's website that the M2 Sport meets SCCA Time Trial and Solo safety requirements when equipped with diagonal bracing. I don't have those. Will this be ok for this event? And as far as the "broomstick" test. I am not sure that I do fit under with the helmet.

You have the Harddog sport without diagonals?

Yes.

4 point with no diagonals is fine! :)

Broomstick is really only a concern for us with fixed seat/harness cars.

Sweet! I have a soft top now but would more than likely run the hardtop down there.

Yeah! Try it either way! I'm so used to a hardtop at the track, I forget what its like to track a Miata topless. The wind buffeting the helmet really brings that sensation of speed home. :)

I prefer top down racing! I fit a bit better too!

Great images, Danny! Wish I could bring my roadster down for you to shoot.

The Atlanta area has a really great Miata community. The people and the cars are pretty special.

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Great images, Danny! Wish I could bring my roadster down for you to shoot.

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Thank you! Just do a nice cross country trip! It’ll be fun! Haha

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The Atlanta area has a really great Miata community. The people and the cars are pretty special.

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Yeah, it’s pretty great!

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Thank you! Just do a nice cross country trip! It’ll be fun! Haha

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Yea, but with the stops I would have to make along the way, it would take me at least couple weeks to get back home.

I fail to see the problem.

What would you say the average skill level is at the different run-group levels compared to, say, NASA or SCCA?

Our groups and experience levels compares favorably to SCCA and NASA

Novices (Green Group) are first-timers, or those who have run maybe 3 HPDEs or less (unsubstantiated history). No passengers except instructors. Restricted passing. We do allow Green Drivers to "bump up" to Blue, but only if they are vetted and certified by the lead instructors.

Uninstructed novices (Blue Group) have experience (a traceable history of events with Jzilla or from motorsportreg.com), allowed to have passengers. Prescribed passing zones.

Yellow are experienced drivers (10 or more HPDEs). Sometimes red drivers will slide down into red if it's crowded, or they want to do testing. I will usually run Yellow or Red depending on my duties that day. I will often run in Blue as a sort of "quality control" to make sure rules are being followed, or to watch for drivers who need help.

Red drivers are for very experienced drivers (W2W veterans, HPDE or TT vets). Most of the instructors are in red group, some may be from Yellow Group.

White Group are for staff members who have duties a the event where they may not have a regular time frame to drive. They can go out in any group.

AMP has FIA lighting (digital flagging) along with corner workers at stations. It also has CCTV that covered the ENTIRE track, so Track Control sees everything (and with AJ working Control, he rarely misses anything). AJ is the SCCA Competition Chair for this region. We hire him to oversee Track Control, very professional, excellent guy.

No passing in any groups without a point-by, we run a polite, gentlemanly program. :) No R-compound tires for novices. All Jzilla instructors are certified by the Motorsport Safety Foundation. This is something we require of our instructors, not all HPDE promoters do this. We also have a staff of professional safety crew on hand for the duration of the event (fire and medical).

Well, I will be there in the Track Rat.

Wooo!!!

So a bit nervous but guess I will be making an appearance. :sweat:

I still get butterflies before every trackday, even if I've been on it before. Part of the experience.:)

I'll tell you what, I'm not looking forward to the drive. Still considering if I should rent a truck and trailer to get down there with some tools. The missus won't be able to come as support car/tool hauler, so...

Just looked up Uhaul's website and its about $55/day to rent a trailer.

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So a bit nervous but guess I will be making an appearance. :sweat:

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Yay!!! I’ll make sure to get some good pictures of you! Also, you are more than welcome to ride with me at the track! That offer is extended to anyone actually! Come find me and ask for a ride if you want! I’m not the fastest, but if it’s your first event, you can still get a good feeling of speed and proper lines!

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Yay!!! I’ll make sure to get some good pictures of you! Also, you are more than welcome to ride with me at the track! That offer is extended to anyone actually! Come find me and ask for a ride if you want! I’m not the fastest, but if it’s your first event, you can still get a good feeling of speed and proper lines!

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I really suggest anyone going to get a ride with somebody who has done this track a lot, like Danny. They can show you some of the nuances in the line that makes AMP so fun in a Miata.

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I really suggest anyone going to get a ride with somebody who has done this track a lot, like Danny. They can show you some of the nuances in the line that makes AMP so fun in a Miata.

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I’ve done probably 15 events at AMP (at least) and still learn from riding with people! I notice I naturally pick up time after riding with someone who is faster than I am.

We have 7 weeks and spots are filling FAST the closer we get! Only a few spots remain for novice-instructed and intermediate! Reserve SOON!

You can also follow this event here:

https://www.facebook.com/miatasbeforethegap/

Here's Jzilla's last event at Road Atlanta and what his customers have to say:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VE4R3yFb7c&feature=youtu.be

That's Danny (theothersawyer) strapping in on the cover :)

That AW11 MR2 looks awesome!

We get a LOT of neat cars showing up!

I'm on the fence about being there. Trying to come up with a way to hit the main event at the gap following as well.

Just getting confirmation on my run group. I've done a lot of Champ/Chump Car races, but some groups looks down on budget enduro racing.

Signed up in Yellow. I better start on my track prep list now.

Come find me or one of the staff members if you want to bump up to red later in the day.

I still don’t know why they put my ugly face as the thumbnail of the video!

I was going to like the comment Danny but I don't agree. :teehee::winky:

And now we are starting to fit the Miata stereotype quite well! :fab:

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I still don’t know why they put my ugly face as the thumbnail of the video!

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Mercifully, you’re wearing a helmet.

ONE WEEK AWAY!!! :frantic:

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ONE WEEK AWAY!!! :frantic:

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Don't remind me. My car is still in pieces, but I'm getting closer. I still have to wire in a USB power port, swap out the drivers seat and harness, bleed the brakes, check all the suspension bolts....

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ONE WEEK AWAY!!! :frantic:

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Oh dang! Guess I need to ask off work! Didn’t realize it was so soon!

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Mercifully, you’re wearing a helmet.

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Hey that's my cousin! :P

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Hey that's my cousin! :P

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:slayer:

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Hey that's my cousin! :P

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Here he is last night on Charlotte Motor Speedway, coming off the front chicane and into Turn 1:

https://youtu.be/lJ-DRsaWAO8

Thanks, wish I was able and had time to get down there and see you guys at the AMP and then go up to the Gap.

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Here he is last night on Charlotte Motor Speedway, coming off the front chicane and into Turn 1:

https://youtu.be/lJ-DRsaWAO8

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That front chicane went from my least favorite turn, to one of my favorite turns very quickly!

Same here. I wasn't sure if I would like it, but I did. The chicane and bus stop stretched out the field, gave the Miatas a better playing field.

On to AMP!

VACATION APPROVED! LETS DO THIS!! Woo!

https://i.gifer.com/CJH.gif

Got my car ready Saturday. Just need to put a few miles on it to double check a few changes and get my tech inspection done.

Stealing that gif.

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I really suggest anyone going to get a ride with somebody who has done this track a lot, like Danny. They can show you some of the nuances in the line that makes AMP so fun in a Miata.

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My offer is now off the table, because according to the new safety rules I’m not allowed to have a passenger...

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My offer is now off the table, because according to the new safety rules I’m not allowed to have a passenger...

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Danny, please wait for clarification.

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Danny, please wait for clarification.

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I specifically asked this question to AJ and his response was I’m not allowed.

Danny, the options are simple for passengers:

Run two similar seats/harnesses or put the stock seat back in and use the OE belt.

If you choose to run just the raceseat and harness for yourself, that's fine too, but you cannot have a passenger.

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Danny, the options are simple for passengers:

Run two similar seats/harnesses or put the stock seat back in and use the OE belt.

If you choose to run just the raceseat and harness for yourself, that's fine too, but you cannot have a passenger.

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I’m not disagreeing with the rules. I’m just letting everyone who I promised a ride along to know, that it is no longer an option.

What an awesome day! I had a TON of fun, decompressing right now and looking at videos.

It rained, but it was still terrific. People were gaining confidence, getting quicker as the day went on!

Many thanks to all the vendors; K Miata, R*Speed, V8 Roadsters, and Mazdaroadster.net for the swag! I think I’m forgetting a few, but I’m pretty exhausted and happy!

I think it’s safe to say we will be doing it again. Bigger & better! :)

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What an awesome day! I had a TON of fun, decompressing right now and looking at videos.

It rained, but it was still terrific. People were gaining confidence, getting quicker as the day went on!

Many thanks to all the vendors; K Miata, R*Speed, V8 Roadsters, and Mazdaroadster.net for the swag! I think I’m forgetting a few, but I’m pretty exhausted and happy!

I think it’s safe to say we will be doing it again. Bigger & better! :)

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Such a wonderful event! I have lots of pictures to post! Great talking to you today sir! We are both normally too busy to actually talk to each other! Haha

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...e020d81a19.jpg

Classic. LOL!

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Offering a ride along in the afternoon, I think this was a guest from R*Speed (Joe's son). Just some stuff pulled from my dash cam. It was slippery in T6 from an LFx (V8 Roadster?) dumping it's coolant. Just playing with shift points and adjusting to track conditions, it was a blast!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEN5noDXFHs&t=29s

I was able to turn the car so easily with the throttle yesterday! It was awesome. Just apply a little throttle and the car would step out a few degrees.

Loved these Contis in the rain. Really awesome, extremely stable and communicative. 80+ mph through the rain and some standing water, really no issues at all.

That’s really good, first-hand information rather than just manufacturer’s claims.

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Orange;222828]That’s really good, first-hand information rather than just manufacturer’s claims.

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The other thing I’ve enjoyed is how pleasant they are in day to day driving. Honestly, this car sees far more street miles than the track. It’s tiresome to drive everyday on ‘trackday bro’ tires that howl constantly while cruising on the freeway.

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...It was slippery in T6 from an LFx (V8 Roadster?) dumping it's coolant...

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It was one of the RX8s. Owned by a shop that wanted to prove the stock radiator could handle hard usage. Result? Overheated, coolant on the track, blown engine.

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The other thing I’ve enjoyed is how pleasant they are in day to day driving. Honestly, this car sees far more street miles than the track. It’s tiresome to drive everyday on ‘trackday bro’ tires that howl constantly while cruising on the freeway.

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I just now realized that I totally didn't say hi.
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Here's a video of one of my sessions, I think the same one as yours. I suspect that there was something around T11 as well as it was extra-slippery, even accounting for rain.
First combined session

My comments:
The facility: AMP is a motorsports country club (with a base membership cost of $10000), not a motorsports competition facility. You can definitely tell the difference, from the lack of on-site food facility to the fact the main building contains a couple conference rooms and carpeting, but no large track map. The split paddock is a little odd, but the paddock itself is small enough it's not a huge problem. The single set of restrooms for us plebs is a little strange too. The on-site shop holds mostly driver safety gear, some misc. vehicle safety gear, nothing in the way of spare parts or typical trackday stuff - couldn't even sell me shop towels. The owner is a really cool guy, was nice enough to chat with me about seats (and their fitment into Miatas), and with a ton of racing experience. Racing Analytics is the on-site mechanics/tuning shop, with one focus on Spec Miatas. I hung out and chatted with them for about 20 minutes, and they did a no-extra-charge swap of pads and rotors on my Miata in about an hour without batting an eye. I'll be trailering the Miata back down to have them do some race prep work in the future.

The track: I can't decide if AMP was designed by a sadist, or an elitist. It is a highly technical track favoring lower-powered vehicles. There is a huge amount of elevation change, and every other corner is a blind, off-camber, tightening radius turn designed to test your throttle control and vehicle weight handling. However, there is plenty of well-designed runoff and safety barriers that make an off-road excursion less scary than it might otherwise be. Quite fun.

The event: Almost all of my trackdays have been with national amateur competition motorsports orgs, so my bias of comparison slants towards that. First off, I have to say I was really disappointed by the last-minute changes to rules and schedules. Many people (including myself) were coming from several states away, and changing requirements last-minute is REALLY unprofessional. Any changes not forced on the hosting org. should be locked out AT LEAST a week before go-day. The ancillaries were very nice - coffee, donuts, stickers, pizza for lunch, giveaways, etc. Not something I would expect at a "typical" trackday event at all; and with a REALLY low cost of entry I suspect the sponsors were heavily involved in the final bill. The lack of paddock-wide announcements was a real hassle; keeping track of the run groups' orders was all based on the watch. This hurt especially when crashes and spills on track caused delays and re-ordering of run groups. There seemed to be a relatively low number of entrants, which was nice for keep the track clear and allowing movement between run groups. The sessions were set at 15 minutes, which I really feel is too low. Not counting the warmup and cooldown laps, I was seeing 6 hot laps, depending on traffic. I would have preferred fewer, 20 or 25-minute sessions. Driver's meeting seemed fairly typical, except going over instruction better left for the classroom (like flag meanings). Classroom instruction for the beginner's group was... odd, I'll say. Spending the first classroom session having the safety gear shop owner talking about safety gear, and not a driving instructor talking about driving safety issues, had me shrugging my shoulders. My in-car instructor, I have no negative comments with; but individual instructor quality always varies person-to-person. Once I told him my experience level he was happy to bump me up a group and really only had an issue with my habit of using lift-off oversteer to correct my lines midcorner (which I totally understand, it's not something a typical novice, or even intermediate on this track, should be doing).

Sig, thanks so much for your feedback! We had some unexpected issues arise and some of our changes were controversial, to say the least. They were made with safety in mind and they were not made flippantly.

The first sessions were 15 minutes, the rest were 20 unless an on-track incident occurred. When one does happen, we use abbreviated sessions to catch up to the schedule.

We post schedules and email them out. For run groups, their are flags posted at Pit Out and the Tower that indicate which group is on the track (red, yellow, blue, green).

There are also restrooms in the clubhouse upstairs, BTW. There is also *typically* a map at the bottom, near the clubhouse, facing the track, but I suppose it has been locked away because of the weather. There was one in the classroom, too.

I would like permission to forward your comments to the Jzilla staff so we can implement improvements for next year, but only with your approval.

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Sig, thanks so much for your feedback! We had some unexpected issues arise and some of our changes were controversial, to say the least. They were made with safety in mind and it were not made flippantly.

The first sessions were 15 minutes, the rest were 20 unless an on-track incident occurred. When one does happen, we use abbreviated sessions to catch up to the schedule.

We post schedules and email them out. For run groups, their are flags posted at Pit Out and the Tower that indicate which group is on the track (red, yellow, blue, green).

There are also restrooms in the clubhouse upstairs, BTW. There is also *typically* a map at the bottom, near the clubhouse, facing the track, but I suppose it has been locked away because of the weather. There was one in the classroom, too.

I would like permission to forward your comments to the Jzilla staff so we can implement improvements for next year, but only with your approval.

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Sure, I have no problem with it. I'd be happy to discuss more if there are any questions, too. In response to your responses: The posted schedule was fine, until there was an incident that bumped everything around. I wasn't the only person in the paddock asking who was going out when and in what order by the afternoon. I was parked right next to pit-out, so I ended up talking to the gentleman covering that station and yelling back up the paddock what was going on. The flags being posted at pit out for whatever run group was heading out next was definitely something that should have been covered at the driver's meeting :)

The track map placements is more of a facility thing than a Jzilla event thing. The drivers' meeting room/main room not having track maps I just found odd, but again, it's a country club, not a competition venue.

Here's a video of the session before the other one I posted. I think this was the dryest session I had all day.

EDIT: Fixed. This was the driest session I had all day.

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EDIT: Fixed. This was the driest session I had all day.

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Was this you?

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1811/...81cccc70_c.jpgIMG_7034 by Danny Sawyer, on Flickr

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Was this you?

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1811/...81cccc70_c.jpgIMG_7034 by Danny Sawyer, on Flickr

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Yup, sure is.

All my photos of the event can be found here: https://flickr.com/photos/50481382@N...57698208764991

Excellent work, Danny! Does the lower light and spray make it more difficult to capture the cars at speed?

I love the shots! Thanks for being out there. The spray coming off the cars gives everything a total different visual dynamic.

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Excellent work, Danny! Does the lower light and spray make it more difficult to capture the cars at speed?

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No actually! If anything it made it easier. Well not the rain, but the consistent grey sky helps because now you’re not fighting with shadows and having to shoot the cars from one side of the track based on where the sun is.

Oh, cool! That makes sense.

Lets get that door replacement on Ethan!

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Lets get that door replacement on Ethan!

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Eventualllllly I'll have the entire chassis stripped and painted pro, right now I just need to keep everything from rotting :)