Revlimter Lenses for Gauge Clusters

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revlimiter Lenses

• High performance anti-reflective lenses for various aftermarket gauge clusters.
• <2% total reflectivity, ~97% light transmission.
• Double sided AR coating. This is a chemical process, not a mechanical frosting.
• Lenses are shatter resistant and abrasion resistant.
• Optical quality, like high quality eyeglasses for your gauges.

Hit my store for price and ordering info!

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/glass1.jpg
No photoshop trickery. This is exactly what my camera shows, sized down and watermarked. Lights are the same on both lamps.

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/glass2.jpg
Two plain glass lenses, two revlimiter Lenses, and no glass over the oil gauge opening.

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/glass3.jpg
This shows the performance quite well under the most harsh conditions. While there is some reflection, you can still see the scale and numbers on the right side gauges easily. The left side is totally blown out.

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/lenses.jpg
Graphs are awesome.

http://revlimiter.net/store/gauges/fallen-na09.jpg
The lenses are installed in this shot.

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Original post:
There was a thread not long ago about anti-reflective glass for KG Works clusters. I'm preparing to get some cut. My water jet shop gives me great rates and I have a local source for museum-quality anti-reflective UV protective glass. I thought I'd post and see what sort of interest there might be.

I've got a KGW cluster in Sharka. Joel (voteforpedro) has sent me a set of RS Refine rings to get glass made for. I'm not really interested in doing more than these two sizes at the moment. I'm also not really looking to do anything sexy with the NB KGW cluster and try to make glass for it. Sorry NB guys. Perhaps in the future.

As for pricing... I honestly have no idea. I've not even asked the water jet for a quote, but I've got a guestimate in my head. I'm hoping to be able to offer a set of glass for the $60 to $75 range. Shipping would add a few bucks on top of that. Please realize, I'm not sure if this price point is possible, but I *think* it might be.

So... please form a list below so that I can get an idea of how many might be interested.

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine

NB :( ...

I may be interested in a set for each depending on price of course.

the idea is best for the NB guys as the KGW did not come with independent glass.

Agreed, a set for NB would be nice, but not sure I want to tackle installation job, Eric or Hyper probably have more free time than me though.

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)

As far as I know, the NB KG Works cluster IS NOT COMPATIBLE with glass in an unmodified form. It needs significant mods before it can actually take five individual pieces of glass. That's beyond the scope of this project and why I didn't want to offer it.

Please, for the time being, just limit the discussion to the two items mentioned, KGW NA glass and RS Refine glass.

Out of curiosity, what price would be too much? Keep in mind that the "OEM" option from KGW is selling for the $175 range.

I think I have a set of RS-Refine rings here somewhere, I need to dig them out now, I thought they came WITH glass?? If not then I might want to order a set too !!

Also, how are you planning to adhere the glass to the rings?

RS Refine came with plexi. KGW came with glass. Both are very reflective. This stuff I'll produce will be as anti-reflective as current glass tech allows.

All glass that I have made will be identical size to the original and will just go in place of the original. On the KG cluster, it's sandwiched between pieces of metal. On the RS Refine, I believe the glass glues in.

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW

It's been a while since I've had mine apart. How easy is will it be to change the glass out for the non-reflective one? Is there adhesive?

And here is why you want anti-glare glass in your KGW cluster

https://farm7.staticflickr.com/6154/...540cf07b_b.jpg

THAT is why I sold my KGW panel :(

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Originally Posted by freedomgli

It's been a while since I've had mine apart. How easy is will it be to change the glass out for the non-reflective one? Is there adhesive?

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I took mine apart yesterday to measure the glass. =)

1: Remove KGW gauge cluster cover from car.
2: Unscrew the four corner screws. They use a 2mm hex key.
3: Unscrew five indicator lights. You can use your fingers. You need to remove all the ones with the big chrome bezel: turn, high beam, and the two amber ones.
4: the two metal plates now separate easily. Swap the glass.
5: reinstall in reverse order.

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At least that's how mine came apart. I know KGW changed stuff over the years. Some have all metal parts. Some have a mix of metal and plastic. Some use plastic on the bottom layer. I don't think the glass was glued in on any of them. It just pressure fits.

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW

hmmmmm......I might be able to make this work on my NB custom independent gauge rings. Whats the OD of the KG Works glass and RS Refine if you don't mind me asking?

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW

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Originally Posted by revlimiter

Out of curiosity, what price would be too much? Keep in mind that the "OEM" option from KGW is selling for the $175 range.

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For me as long as it is $100 or less
Even if it is more I'm still interested just might not get 3 sets

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Originally Posted by pacman 99

hmmmmm......I might be able to make this work on my NB custom independent gauge rings. Whats the OD of the KG Works glass and RS Refine if you don't mind me asking?

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Sending a PM. Don't mind sharing at all.

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW

Since this is just an interest list...............

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8. Phatmiata - RS-Refine

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8. Phatmiata - RS-Refine

Hmmm... I sort of want the black RS rings, so this would be nice to get
Will this be a pre-order only item, or would there be a few in your store after they get made?

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Originally Posted by revlimiter

I took mine apart yesterday to measure the glass. =)

1: Remove KGW gauge cluster cover from car.
2: Unscrew the four corner screws. They use a 2mm hex key.
3: Unscrew five indicator lights. You can use your fingers. You need to remove all the ones with the big chrome bezel: turn, high beam, and the two amber ones.
4: the two metal plates now separate easily. Swap the glass.
5: reinstall in reverse order.

-edit-
At least that's how mine came apart. I know KGW changed stuff over the years. Some have all metal parts. Some have a mix of metal and plastic. Some use plastic on the bottom layer. I don't think the glass was glued in on any of them. It just pressure fits.

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Now you have me wanting to take apart one of my KGW Gauge clusters to see if the RS-Refine Rings will fit in there?

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine

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Originally Posted by Nyaa

Hmmm... I sort of want the black RS rings, so this would be nice to get
Will this be a pre-order only item, or would there be a few in your store after they get made?

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I'll make up more than I have "orders" for from this list. Like I said, this is just to give me an idea of whether it's worth having 5 sets made or if there's enough interest to have 20 or more.

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Originally Posted by Phatmiata

Now you have me wanting to take apart one of my KGW Gauge clusters to see if the RS-Refine Rings will fit in there?

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They won't. The RS Refine glass is pretty tiny. Smaller even than the opening in the KGW rings.

Damn, so the rs refine rings are NOT compatible with the KG works panel? I was hoping to eventually put them on there.

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Originally Posted by Martin

THAT is why I sold my KGW panel :(

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yup, me too.

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Originally Posted by Willywongka

Damn, so the rs refine rings are NOT compatible with the KG works panel? I was hoping to eventually put them on there.

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Thats what I plan on doing too. Though I think Adam means the RS glass wont fit the KG rings, I can't see any reason why the RS rings wouldn't work on a KG cluster.


1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine
10: smac - 1 set RS-Refine

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Originally Posted by Phatmiata

...Also, how are you planning to adhere the glass to the rings?

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E 6000 is an adhesive that I have used to glue glass to metal. It stays malleable so you can remove it in the future if necessary.

I didn't get Randy's question right. Doh.

The RS Refine *rings* might not fit inside the openings on the KGW cluster. Looks like the openings are too small. The small RS-R ring is 3mm (three) larger than the opening. The large ring is .4mm (point four) larger than the opening on the KGW cluster.

If you opened up the holes, they would work.

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Originally Posted by revlimiter

I didn't get Randy's question right. Doh.

The RS Refine *rings* might not fit inside the openings on the KGW cluster. Looks like the openings are too small. The small RS-R ring is 3mm (three) larger than the opening. The large ring is .4mm (point four) larger than the opening on the KGW cluster.

If you opened up the holes, they would work.

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The RSRefine rings were made to attach to the stock gauge panel - IIRC. I tried to attach them to a stock panel, and yes they do fit.
I also tried to fit them to a gauge panel that I had also has attached a Black AWD gauge panel (AWD panel overlay?) to.
RSRefine rings ALSO fit with the AWD panel installed to the factory gauge panel. The look is similar to KGW, but different, which is why I like how it looks.
(and it had the rear defroster indicator, which KGW does not) :)

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine
10: smac - 1 set RS-Refine
11. Dave737 - 1 set KGW

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--pjkvkGJtW...265850_300.png

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Originally Posted by vote4pedro

E 6000 is an adhesive that I have used to glue glass to metal. It stays malleable so you can remove it in the future if necessary.

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fixed that for you...............

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Originally Posted by Widget

taa daa....... introducing the Glue-o-matic 3000, this here glue will make your binding strong enough to hold your rings from the Wuzzleburg bridge without breaking! It can glue anything you want, no-pro-blemo.

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Originally Posted by WowWowWubbzy

wow! wow! wow!! Let's glue it !

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Originally Posted by vote4pedro

The RSRefine rings were made to attach to the stock gauge panel - IIRC. I tried to attach them to a stock panel, and yes they do fit.
I also tried to fit them to a gauge panel that I had also has attached a Black AWD gauge panel (AWD panel overlay?) to.
RSRefine rings ALSO fit with the AWD panel installed to the factory gauge panel. The look is similar to KGW, but different, which is why I like how it looks.
(and it had the rear defroster indicator, which KGW does not) :)

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that' pic look so good man! thanks for sharing

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine
10: smac - 1 set RS-Refine
11. Dave737 - 1 set KGW
12. Tkblazer - 1 set kgw

somehow my name got bumped off the list............ :roll:


1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine
10: smac - 1 set RS-Refine
11. Dave737 - 1 set KGW
12. Tkblazer - 1 set kgw
13. phatmiata - 1 set RS-Refine

bump my name off the list one more time................. one... more.... time


http://culturepulp.typepad.com/.a/6a...c6f58833-800wi

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine
10: smac - 1 set RS-Refine
11. Dave737 - 1 set KGW
12. Tkblazer - 1 set kgw
13. phatmiata - 1 set RS-Refine
14: lowandrusty KGW

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine
10: smac - 1 set RS-Refine
11. Dave737 - 1 set KGW
12. Tkblazer - 1 set kgw
13. phatmiata - 1 set RS-Refine
14: lowandrusty KGW
15: speedypenguin - 1 set KGW

Looks like I should order some glass. AND it looks like there's more interest in RS-Refine glass than I thought. Excellent!

Thanks guys! Feel free to keep adding to this thread. I'll update soon.

Somehow, my stock glass is pitted all to hell. All that top-down lovin, I guess

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine
10: smac - 1 set RS-Refine
11. Dave737 - 1 set KGW
12. Tkblazer - 1 set kgw
13. phatmiata - 1 set RS-Refine
14: lowandrusty KGW
15: speedypenguin - 1 set KGW
16: DemonIAm - 1 set KGW

Small update: I've just ordered the glass. Hopefully, it'll get shipped out quickly.

anxious for results

Once I get the glass, it'll take the shop 3-4 weeks to cut it. So, don't hold your breath.

Super-tiny update: I have glass. I'll take it to the waterjet in a few days when I pick up my last cut job.

is it too late to get in on this? also off topic but i wonder if anyone has done domed glass for these, i think it would look kinda neat :whistle:

Doming them would make them even MORE reflective. And that would require custom glass molding. That would be exponentially more expensive than just having glass cut.

And no, not too late at all. This thread is just to give me an idea of how many of each to make. I've not taken any money. Heck, I don't even know how much the final cost will be.

ready when you are Adam.

More tiny news.

http://revlimiter.net/mlp/water-jet.jpg

The glass is at the water jet.

Bump for updates.

Timely bump! I have actual info.

I picked up some test cuts today. I'll test fit them in rings and clusters tonight. They're pretty decent. I need to clean off water marks from the jet too.

I have a possible price too: $55 + shipping. They're coming out of the machine for far less than I expected, which is very awesome.

Yo, atank - can I buy that cluster back from you? :lol:

I've spent the past hour trying to clean water spots off of a few of the lenses. No luck no matter how harsh a chemical I use.

I'm honestly crushed by this.

are you sure they are water spots?

OH NOOOOOOO!!!
:violinsmash:
I was really looking forward to this. Is it a total loss?

1 sheet of the glass might be a total loss. The other sheets are still uncut. I can try taking them to an actual glass cutting shop. I mentioned the project at the water jet shop and they said it would be no problem... which is why I started there.

I'll work on the glass some more later this week. MAYBE the water spots can be removed without destroying the anti-glare coating.

How about a protective film on the glass during the water jet process?

^ I had that idea last night before reading your post just now. I went to the water jet shop and covered the glass in vinyl transfer film. It's decently sticky, doesn't harm the anti-glare coating, and I have some wide rolls. I covered both sides. I'll get another sheet cut and see what happens.

I forgot about this thread until now. Any updates on the gauge glass Adam? Any better luck with the water jet?

I'm really hoping :(. I need this!!

I sent an email last week and I now have a test set to pick up this week. I'm really crossing my fingers that the hard water problems are not present.

Tiny update: the test set of KGW glass I got back is good. I covered the glass in vinyl transfer tape and it was able to not get any hard water deposits on the lenses. I've asked to have the rest of the glass cut.

SO. Possibly I'll have some to sell! I hope. And probably I have a set to install in Sharka right meow...

Cool. Looking forward to it! Good things come to those who wait.

I installed the test lenses in my KGW cluster. They broke immediately. So did my heart.

This project is now on hold. I have to source different material. The anti-glare glass just won't work. I need a polycarbonate or something that won't shatter.

Really sorry everyone.

Sorry to hear

Adam, you are a cool cat. The community appreciates what you do. You are taking a chance and trying to do something that no one else has done. You are out there on the edge and we dig that about you (that, and we know it is not in you to produce an inferior product). For what you have done for the community, we owe it to you to be patient and forgiving when things don't work out. We are still with you . . . know it.

Thank you both. The kind words are greatly appreciated.

I'll keep working on this. The unobtainable is the greatest challenge of all.

thanks for trying. :cry:

Wow, bummer :(
Seems anti-glare would be a durable as the regular glass.

Just a bump in the road is all. Adam will have the gears in his brain working on it in no time. Well, after the holidays I would imagine, as some things take priority.

a random thought: Does anyone make an anti-glare tempered glass? (Not sure if that would be usable with a water jet though).

I won't be using a water jet for this item in the future. I think the not-smooth edge contributed to the glass cracking. Or rather, CAUSED. I only used it because the owner was eager to cut the glass. They're a great shop and the jet is a great tool, but I don't think it's the thing for this.

not sure if the possibility has been mentioned, but could a film be used on the glass after cutting to not only stabilize it but also to remove glare rather than using anti-glare glass?

A film is good for impact protection (shower door, car side window). But I believe what is needed here is real anti-glare glass that has a vapor deposited coating like Crizal and then it needs to be cut without getting stained. Finally, I think the edges need a bevel to reduce stress risers from the cutting process. Adam, seek out your local optometrist to see how they finish eyeglass lenses after being ground to the correct prescription. Therein lies the answer.

^ great idea!

Tiny update: I've ordered more non-reflective material. Gonna try again.

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Originally Posted by revlimiter

Tiny update: I've ordered more non-reflective material. Gonna try again.

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Adam,

Aren't the KG/RS panels now sold with non-reflective glass?

I have no idea how well their new glass actually works, but how do they get their glass to fit without running into the same problem?

Thanks again for all your amazing contributions!

If I sent you the plastic parts from my NB RS Refine rings, can you include these in your cut list? I have spent many hours trying to polish the scratches out of them.

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Originally Posted by Bruce

Adam,

Aren't the KG/RS panels now sold with non-reflective glass?

I have no idea how well their new glass actually works, but how do they get their glass to fit without running into the same problem?

Thanks again for all your amazing contributions!

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To both questions: I have no idea. I know that MINE is not anti-reflective. I hate to sound selfish, but that's honestly all I care about. I need to make glass for Sharka. It's an obsession.

And if I happen to make a few hundred other sets, that's a bonus.

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Originally Posted by Satisaii

If I sent you the plastic parts from my NB RS Refine rings, can you include these in your cut list? I have spent many hours trying to polish the scratches out of them.

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It's already enough complication to deal with the KGW glass and RS-Refine NA glass. I don't want to add a possible 3rd size in there at this time, especially since I have no idea how many more failures I'll have. Once I have a successful prototype, I'll consider it.

I could have bought about 5 KGW clusters at current market rate so far... lol

Just spotted this thread. Awesome effort Adam. Your innovations add so much to the Roadster community. Well done. I often browse your gauge site, but find too many choices, and can never make a decision. This one is easy. Adding my name to the list.

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine
10: smac - 1 set RS-Refine
11. Dave737 - 1 set KGW
12. Tkblazer - 1 set kgw
13. phatmiata - 1 set RS-Refine
14: lowandrusty KGW
15: speedypenguin - 1 set KGW
16: DemonIAm - 1 set KGW
17. Malibu Q - 1 set KGW

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Originally Posted by Malibu Q

Just spotted this thread. Awesome effort Adam. Your innovations add so much to the Roadster community. Well done. I often browse your gauge site, but find too many choices, and can never make a decision. This one is easy. Adding my name to the list.

1: revlimiter - 1 set, KGW
2: voteforpedro - 1 set, RS-Refine 1 set KGW
3: ezmfne - 1 set, KGW; 2 sets, RS-Refine (depending on price)
4: freedomgli - 1 set, KGW
5: Dandy - 1 set, KGW
6. Grip Driver - 1 set, KGW
7: Rogue - 1 set KGW
8: Willywongka - 1 set RS-Refine
9: Pac-man 99 - 1 set RS-Refine
10: smac - 1 set RS-Refine
11. Dave737 - 1 set KGW
12. Tkblazer - 1 set kgw
13. phatmiata - 1 set RS-Refine
14: lowandrusty KGW
15: speedypenguin - 1 set KGW
16. Malibu Q - 1 set KGW

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I'm off the list, unless I buy a panel for the NB

The list doesn't really have a use anymore. It was just to get a rough ratio of one type to the other.

I have a tiny update.

My latest polycarbonate material is AMAZING. I've got samples cut and installed in my own cluster. I need to stress test it for a few days... but... I think it will work.

So excited.

Great news!!!

I think I'm going to regret selling my KGW cluster :(

The new lenses are also quite light. 48 grams for the 5 pieces vs 92 grams for the original KGW glass. And the museum glass was 120 grams!

So just to clarify is it glass or plastic?

It's a synthetic polymer resin. You know the stuff they make non-glass eyeglasses out of? Same stuff.

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Originally Posted by revlimiter

It's a synthetic polymer resin. You know the stuff they make non-glass eyeglasses out of? Same stuff.

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Are we talkin' crizal lenses??

I just ordered a huge sheet of that anti-reflective stuff. I hope to have it next week. It'll be delivered straight to the waterjet shop.

This is such a not-cheap project. But so worth the effort.

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/glass1.jpg

Here's an exclusive teaser pic. No photoshop tricks. Same bulbs hitting each piece of glass.

Are these the same non-reflective glass that KG sells? How much will this be going for Adam?

I have no idea what KGW sells. I've never had a set of their glass and wouldn't be able to look at it and tell what make and model it is. Mine is a special non-reflective polymer. So... not glass.

Not sure of the price yet. I'm really hoping to be in the $55 range that I was with the worthless museum glass. It might be a bit higher. I'll know once I have a batch of lenses cut and how many can fit per square foot.

Even at a slightly higher price this would be a good upgrade.

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Just a bump in the road is all. Adam will have the gears in his brain working on it in no time. Well, after the holidays I would imagine, as some things take priority.

a random thought: Does anyone make an anti-glare tempered glass? (Not sure if that would be usable with a water jet though).

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I knew it would work out :)

depending on taxes, im seriously considering ordering these and the Fallen gauges... hoping for the best on the project Adam,

Thanks for staying the course! :encouragement:

The material is at the water jet. They just did a cut matrix for me and it looks like they'll start cutting next week. Very excited to have this project maybe complete soon.

I hope.

I have a price for the gauge glass: $59 per set. Hope that works for folks. It's just a few bucks over my target from last year.

The glass should be cut this week.

When/how should we order?

Gonna wait till I have the glass to take orders. I don't want to sell a lot and discover I have less good sets than I thought.

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/lens00.jpg

revlimiter Lenses

• High performance anti-reflective lenses for various aftermarket gauge clusters.
• <2% total reflectivity, ~97% light transmission.
• Double sided AR coating. This is a chemical process, not a mechanical frosting.
• Lenses are shatter resistant and abrasion resistant.
• Optical quality, like high quality eyeglasses for your gauges.

Hit my store for price and ordering info! Intro price: $59 + shipping!

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/glass1.jpg
No photoshop trickery. This is exactly what my camera shows, sized down and watermarked. Lights are the same on both lamps.

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/glass2.jpg
Two plain glass lenses, two revlimiter Lenses, and no glass over the oil gauge opening.

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/glass3.jpg
This shows the performance quite well under the most harsh conditions. While there is some reflection, you can still see the scale and numbers on the right side gauges easily. The left side is totally blown out.

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/lenses.jpg
Graphs are awesome.

http://revlimiter.net/store/gauges/fallen-na09.jpg
The lenses are installed in this shot.

Just paid for a set!!! Thanks Adam for making this happen!

I gotta get a set for my KGW cluster now! Thank you, thank you Adam!

Any chance you'll do a KG install how-to?
I'm a little afraid to get into my cluster and your write-ups are the best.

good stuff right here

Congrats on your successful project Adam. The product looks super.

Just placed my order.

A question: What are the differences between the RS and KGW clusters? Is one preferable to the other?

Thanks!

RS refine rings are aftermarket gauge cluster rings that were made in small quantities in Japan and will fit OEM or AWD gauge clusters.

KG works gauge cluster rings are slightly smaller than OEM / AWD / RS refine ring sizes.

None are 'preferable' so to speak, its really what you have/prefer.

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Just paid for a set!!! Thanks Adam for making this happen!

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THANKS!!! Set #3 is yours. =)

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Any chance you'll do a KG install how-to?
I'm a little afraid to get into my cluster and your write-ups are the best.

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Check the product page in my store. It has a KGW install at the bottom.
http://revlimiter.net/store/glass.php

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Just placed my order.

A question: What are the differences between the RS and KGW clusters? Is one preferable to the other?

Thanks!

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As Willywongka said. :) However, the RS Refine lenses are pretty small. Much smaller than the KGW actually.

There's also one thing - my lenses are 2mm thick. The RSR lenses are 1mm thick. I don't THINK this will be a problem, but it's untested. We'll know once a few people fit the RSR sized lenses in their clusters.

And THANKS EVERYONE FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!! I think this has been the best product opening I've had. Sales have been extremely strong.

Adam,

Are you saying that the RS gauges have a smaller diameter than the OEM gauges?

Thanks,
Bruce

The internal area of the RSR lenses is much smaller than the OEM opening. . The outer diameter of the RSR rings is equal to the OEM gauge opening.

Thanks, Adam,

That difference is certainly not evident in the pictures. I would imagine the Artworks Dewa gauges must be even smaller given those thick rings.

Anyway, thanks again and congratulations on the strong launch!

Bruce

Guess I'll let you know if they fit the RS Refine rings when I receive them. I seriously wished they would fit the KG works panel, finding a AWD panel is testing my patience =).

Ordered :slayer:

Same here, much excite

Ordered has been placed. I will post up some pics of the refine lenses mocked up when I have a free moment.

If this Yahoo Japan listing is correct, there were two series of the KGW gauge clusters. The original, which was discontinued a few years ago, was heavier and made of more metal and glass pieces. The second, and current, series is lighter and uses more plastic.

The listing states (Google translation):

"Production end out-of-print is an ultra-scarce goods.
The current product has been used many plastic parts, initial product ramp around, texture is quite different in the metal also make the instrument panel around.
Meter glass also I feel the weight that was heavily to have to hand in hard glass. Hard glass, SUS304 hairline finish specifications, I will probably difficult to obtain.
The initial made of rare parts that are no longer apparent much current. Towards the collector looking for, to dress up around the meter, and how might it be."

http://page5.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/e154836199

This might explain the conflicting descriptions found on-line regarding whether the KGW vs. RS clusters are the same or not. Some say the current KGW clusters are the same as the RS clusters. If true, which size of Adam's panels would fit?

I ordered two sets from Adam (one of each) because I have no clue what cluster I really have or which size it will take--and Adam's lenses are 1/3 the price of the anti-glare KGW lenses AND appear to be FAR more effective in reducing glare based upon the on-line photos I have seen.

well.... that's.... uncomfortable. The idea that my KGW glass might not fit all of the clusters? My skin is crawling.

We'll burn that bridge when we come to it I guess.

The KGW glass I have is 94.6mm on the large lenses and 50.5mm on the small ones.
The RSR lenses are 89mm and 41mm.

I don't see any harm in posting these measurements. I should put it on my store page as well.


ANYWAYS.

Thanks for all the orders everyone!!!!! Spent 2 hours packing up all the boxes this morning. And I'm almost out of Hot Wheels after all that packing. Gonna have to go hunt for more.

This is just all speculative at this point. My guess is that--at the worst--people will need to measure their gauge openings to decide which of your lenses to order.

Based SOLELY on the most recent photos I have been able to find, I am guessing that both the new KGW gauge panels and the RS panels are made by the same company but have adopted the original KGW lens sizes and gauge ring shape.

I'm now pretty sure I have the earlier RS panel with the smaller lenses.

Of course, I could be all wet:oops: in which case I will skulk away and rejoin the board under a new alias.........(j/k)/

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RSR lenses

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RS panels

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I think you're talking about two different products here. The RS Refine Trim rings and the RS Products version of the KG Works panel.

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I think you're talking about two different products here. The RS Refine Trim rings and the RS Products version of the KG Works panel.

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RS Products original gauge panels have been discontinued. The gauge hole diameters for the tach and speedo are smaller on the original RS Products panel when compared to the KGW panel. The gauge panel that RS Products still sells currently on their site is the KGW panel. The RS Refine gauge rings will fit the original miata gauge panel, and will work with the AWD gauge panels that fit onto the stock gauge panel.

This is all SO confusing! :shrug:

http://revlimiter.net/store/glass/lenses-comp.jpg

Here's as close to a direct comparison as I can get. The top shot was done a few months ago, the bottom was done yesterday.

The top was taken driving around in the daylight. The bottom was done parked in a dark garage with the door open. The bottom garage shot is actually a lot more contrasty lighting conditions and is making the AR lenses work harder and look worse. It's the most difficult lighting I could figure out.

On the top shot, you can just barely see any detail in the tach. It's very blown out. The bottom shot shows some blowout, but you can still see details. But the interesting stuff is happening in the speedometer and oil gauge. You can see my face and the steering wheel reflected like a mirror. That's totally absent from the anti-reflective lenses. You notice this more in real life. Instead of being able to see yourself in the gauges, all you see is a shadowy outline.

That looks fantastic, can't wait to get mine installed!

Blows away KGW's own new anti-reflective glass. http://www.kgworks.co.jp/4-c-00.htm

And at a dramatically lower US price.

Amazing job (as usual), Adam!

I'll have to get in touch with you about lenses for my independent gauge rings, because I've been looking for this kind of solution for quite some time now without any luck

^ Yes! I'd be happy to make you some lenses George. Or at least supply them to customers in the right size. Wouldn't be much of a problem.

And thanks for the link Bruce. That's KG glass is... odd. Now that I know a whole lot about these materials and the coatings you can put on them, I'm not sure what to make of their official glass. The fact that it's reflecting the same color back, just less of it, is very strange. I wonder if it's a mechanical (frosted) solution instead of a chemical coating?

Anyways, I'm really happy with my glass. Worth the time and effort. And thanks for the great support and sales everyone!

Onto the next project.

Thanks for the quick shipping Adam! Attachment 14022

Dang! Record setting install.

Haha, they showed up today so I might as well install them

Just received mine today as well. Thanks Adam!

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^ Yes! I'd be happy to make you some lenses George. Or at least supply them to customers in the right size. Wouldn't be much of a problem.

And thanks for the link Bruce. That's KG glass is... odd. Now that I know a whole lot about these materials and the coatings you can put on them, I'm not sure what to make of their official glass. The fact that it's reflecting the same color back, just less of it, is very strange. I wonder if it's a mechanical (frosted) solution instead of a chemical coating?

Anyways, I'm really happy with my glass. Worth the time and effort. And thanks for the great support and sales everyone!

Onto the next project.

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great! most of my customers are from your country anyway so I could just list an option to get just the gauge rings and send them your way for the rest. I also have same size lenses for both NA and NB clusters so it won't be that difficult

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great! most of my customers are from your country anyway so I could just list an option to get just the gauge rings and send them your way for the rest. I also have same size lenses for both NA and NB clusters so it won't be that difficult

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George do you remember what size glass is needed for mine? I think I can fit the RS refine version that Revlimiter has.

I should be able to find the cad file when I get home from work

Test fitted everything earlier. The RS refine lenses (still have the film on them) are a perfect fit.

is this for your other Miata project?

Installed mine in my KG cluster.
I must say "Mod of the Year"

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is this for your other Miata project?

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I am thinking of using this for my 1028 themed build. I have a nice RS Products gauge cover for the other.

Any NB guys with the RS Refine gauges have a measurement on the lenses? I'm wondering if they're the same size as NA.

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Installed mine in my KG cluster.
I must say "Mod of the Year"

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Agree completely.

Adam has another major hit on his hands.

Adam - Any thoughts on making these for the AWD Type II gauge rings?

Are those ones that can accept the glass?

All I'd need is some very accurate measurements of the stock lenses.

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Are those ones that can accept the glass?

All I'd need is some very accurate measurements of the stock lenses.

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I'll put a caliper to mine and give you some numbers.

I'm not exactly getting lenses cut tomorrow, but you might wanna measure kinda quickly. I'm running out of KGW lenses and will probably have another batch done in a week or two.

I’m in the middle of trying to install some excellent anti-glare plastic lenses from RevLimiter for my KG Works Independent Look gauge cluster cover. Unfortunately, my KG Works panel is different than the one RevLimiter used for the installation tutorial on his website.

https://revlimiter.net/store/glass.php

Instead of little jamb nuts holding the jeweled indicator lights in place, which secure the front half of the panel to the back half so that the lenses are sandwiched in between, it appears mine uses these plastic trim rings that are superglued in place?

Has anyone else ever encountered this? Any recommendations on a solution? I’m thinking I might have to destroy the jeweled indicators in order to remove them so that I can proceed with the installation of the anti-glare lenses. Does anyone have a good source to locate suitable replacements for the jeweled indicators?

https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/...c198a537_b.jpg

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